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in the 1930s president franklin delano

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roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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fireside chats his aim was to reassure

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the common man that our society would

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recover from its troubled times well

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we're far from 1930 and i deal with a

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different kind of fire for a new era of

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worldly frustration we offer a fresh

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conversation i'm greg carlwood and these

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are the higher side chats

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doing the thing from sunny san diego i'm

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greg carlwood and we have unpacked many

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pockets of suppressed people knowledge

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and empowering magic on this long road

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to the promised land but a lesser

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explored subject that touches on all

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three of these things is the suppression

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of eros female sexuality and the divine

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feminine clearly the catholic church in

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western society as a whole has done its

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damnedest to keep women down a peg or

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two

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as for years they were only allowed in

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supporting roles from nuns to

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secretaries nurses and housewives

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and it's even been said that the holy

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trinity itself of father son and holy

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ghost is curiously missing a crucial

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element to fill out that famous family

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history is in no short supply of eras

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and instances of telling women to cover

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up either as if intimidated by the

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allure of their sexuality and for years

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most academic studies of sexuality were

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for men by men

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well if the divine feminine promotes

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love passion and compassion it's not

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hard to see how that might conflict with

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a culture condition to value brute

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strength domination and a dog-eat-dog

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competitive mentality hell-bent on war

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after war and a cold capitalist approach

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to everything and when it comes to sex

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itself or sex as a vehicle for

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enlightenment we've also been left

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completely in the dark taught that it's

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wrong and dirty and we best just stay

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away yet it is why we're all here

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much like psychedelics there are

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approaches to sexuality and techniques

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that can blow the doors of perception

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wide open and give one the keys to the

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mental prison that has been crafted for

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us

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and of course that's something the

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authorities have spent large amounts of

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energy trying to keep at bay

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well today we're talking to dr joanna

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kuyava the author of a very interesting

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new book entitled the other goddess mary

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magdalene and the goddesses of eros and

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secret knowledge she's been digging deep

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into this stuff for many years as she

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received her ba and m.a from the

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pontifical institute for medieval

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studies at the university of toronto

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canada and her phd from monash

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university in melbourne australia she's

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been an active academic for over two

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decades using her scholarly training to

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investigate topics other academics often

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pass over

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an attitude we can certainly appreciate

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around here so let's do it the other

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goddess author sacred feminine scholar

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and dedicated spiritual detective dr

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joanna kuyava welcome to the higher side

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hi greg that was a wonderful

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introduction thank you so much

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happy to be here

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thank you i try to get them worked up

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because you know there's a lot of things

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trying to get people's attention these

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days but i am certainly looking forward

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to this big thanks to miguel connor for

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putting us in touch you had mentioned to

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me that you heard the interview i did

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with alan greenfield about sex magic and

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the central secret of secret societies

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secret societies another hierarchy that

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women aren't allowed into and you made

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some good points about how there is a

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light side to sex magic and sex driven

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enlightenment i guess we could say yes

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and a reason sexuality is so suppressed

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it doesn't have to be all dark and

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salacious as it's usually presented and

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that sex magic stuff might be

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provocative for shows like this but it's

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certainly only half the story and it's a

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big part of what has motivated this area

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of study for you and the book right

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correct and you know it also that's why

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this book although it is research based

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especially the first part of the via the

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goddess is very personal because my

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experience of sexuality was different

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and i started to look at esoteric

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traditions that explore sexuality as a

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means of enlightenment such as for

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example esoteric tantra

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so i thought

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there is something into this that is

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really uncovered and when i started to

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look into early christianity and also

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you know

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sumerian traditions and egyptian

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traditions and hindu tradition and i'm

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talking about when i talk about tantra i

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talk about

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the classic tantra of kashmir shaivism

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which is very different than for example

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chinese tantra which is taoist which has

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completely different goals

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which do not include enlightenment they

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are mostly focused on longevity or

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western tantra which is usually called

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neo tantra which basically means that

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in some ways they want to

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focus on sacred sexuality but it's

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really about improving your sexual life

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with your partner and this is not what

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classic tantra is about and as i was

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studying this i started to notice a

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connection with mary magdalene and

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goddesses of sumer

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so

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let me know where you would like me to

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start this journey

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for your show

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well i'm glad you mentioned what you

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mentioned there because when people hear

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tantra they sometimes think kamasutra

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and obviously those

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are two totally different things that

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don't even have the same approach it

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isn't about

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uh heightening pleasure with a partner

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is about enlightenment and that is a

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significant difference right

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yes absolutely and you know and that's

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fine that's why we have kamasutra and

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kamasutra is a wonderful piece of work

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and i'm all for people having some fun

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you know and deepening the intimacy and

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sexual pleasure but the classic stantra

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goals are completely different it is

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basically using sexuality especially

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female sexuality

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when during intimate act with a man

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to

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reach a heightened state of

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consciousness

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for example

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let me start you know right from the

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beginning so

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when i was living in melbourne for about

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a year and a half i was studying an

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esoteric work from kashmir shaivism

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tantra loka which was written by a 10th

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century indian philosopher known as

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abhinava gupta abhinava gupta was

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basically like an einstein of his own

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times because he wrote about everything

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he is kind of geniuses that happens once

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you know every few centuries

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chapter 29 of tantra loka which is the

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light of on tantras it's about the use

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of

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sexual magic or sexuality you know he

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wouldn't use the word magic but sexual

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rituals for the purpose of enlightenment

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however he was not the first one so to

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speak he was the first one who wrote it

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down because i would like to also honor

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the tradition long tradition ancient

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tradition of women yoginis and dakinis

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who actually introduced this tradition

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to our system believe

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for example there was

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almost a mythological figure arda

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triumvaka who was a daughter of a great

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sage triyambaka

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and she actually came up with this

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ritual of using female sexuality for the

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purpose of enlightenment and then there

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was a long line of dakinis and your

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guineas who you know passed on this

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tradition orally

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because they didn't write and you know

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they just passed from one woman from one

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yogini to another and then in tibetan

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buddhist tradition they were called

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dakinis they are also known for

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possessing other powers because when you

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commit yourself fully to spiritual

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practice you

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start to develop

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but you should not focus on it there's a

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warning here but you start to develop

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certain qualities which in this

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tradition are called cds which in

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western traditions would be called magic

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right so for example the dakini is well

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known for moving between dimensions you

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know being able to be in two places at

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the same time and so on so but it was

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just a byproduct of this the goal of

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this tradition was to basically reach

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enlightenment to be one with a divine

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mind through

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sexual bless

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by use of female sexuality

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and i love this part you know of tantra

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loka which says that once this happens

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you'll be walking like gods and

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goddesses on earth because you have

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experience of a divine mind you cleanse

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the doors of perception you will see you

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know the beauty of everything that is

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around you and you will see

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you know that we are just spiritual

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beings

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in this dimension but also the different

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dimensions open up for you and i know

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this for [\h__\h] because i myself had this

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kind of experience when i was studying

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it as i mentioned earlier for a year and

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a half with a translator of this work

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who coincidentally is a catholic priest

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who is a sanskrit scholar and he did a

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phd on this and i studied it with a

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tibetan monk who just escaped from tibet

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now he has a successful you know

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meditation center and so on

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near melbourne and another swami however

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this was we did not practice it we just

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started this work which was just

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translated by the scholar you know that

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i mentioned before and

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i'm not sure if you want me to talk

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about but when i was studying it i had a

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spontaneous experience of which this

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works are talking having said so i was

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already also

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initiated to the tradition so i went

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through the process of initiation

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because i was already a committed seeker

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yes i definitely want to talk to you

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about that personal experience and to

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get into it pretty early in this because

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it's probably the most provocative thing

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in the whole book but as for your

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personal history i guess i wanted to go

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back even further than the study of the

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tantra loca and that provocative chapter

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29 because i've heard you say you were

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born in poland and i have a polish side

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of my family i called my grandparents

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busia and jaja but i've heard you say

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that you were born into a society that

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was both communist and orthodox catholic

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so you got an early crash course in

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brainwashing and propaganda and i like

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that but elaborate on that background a

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bit and some of the realizations you had

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about the church and authority before

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even your academic career began

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thank you so much greg for this question

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so yes because also people may wonder

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about my accent so yes i was born in

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poland and it was a very strange place

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at that time i'm sure it is very

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different now because it was intensely

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communist and intensely catholic and my

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family was

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intensely catholic as well and for a

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long time i was a devout catholic and as

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a little girl i used to go to these

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beautiful churches in poland by rock

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churches with beautiful frescos and i

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always saw you know the paintings of

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mary

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deity in poland people usually in poland

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pray

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to virgin mary so i had this already

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exposure to the divine feminine but as i

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started to grow up and started to feel

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you know the sweetness of eros i started

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to wonder the whole virginity thing

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started to

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making sense to me and as i was going to

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these churches i noticed that somewhere

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you know to the usually in the naves

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somewhere on the side there was this

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other very prominent woman but she was

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kind of pushed to the side and it was

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mary magdalene and i could see already

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then although i believed the whole

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catholic story about ben not anymore

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about marie magdalene you know that she

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was a prostitute which is now we know

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historically is not true

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but i noticed that she was probably the

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closest person to the teacher

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or jesus but somehow she was vilified

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always portrayed in this kind of

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demeaning position you know almost in

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the position of rejection she was the

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sinner but somehow even then although i

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did not know the full story then i

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thought she was a very interesting

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person

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so

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obvious that the rejection in the church

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and human mind of mary magdalene despite

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of her prominence had to do something

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with her sexuality and her connection

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with jesus

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well that is a hell of a hunch that

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really sends you down a rabbit hole but

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yeah i grew up catholic as well and

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later you look back on it and it is so

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weird you're on your knees you're saying

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i'm not worthy father i'm a sinner and

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kissing the priest and it's it's really

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[\h__\h] up stuff to be making kids do or

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for really anyone to go through you you

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look up to your parents

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who

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you know teach you the ways to be in the

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world and your parents are catholic so

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you're going to the church you're like i

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guess this is normal i don't know but

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yeah i think a lot of kids they they

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start to see through it but you hit them

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sunday after sunday after sunday for

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years and it just it normalizes what's

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really strange ritual behavior that puts

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you on a lower

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platform it makes you feel dirty already

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you know you are saying that you're a

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sinner right out of the gate you know

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before you can even speak or walk that's

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right it really screws with you mentally

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i think that's where the catholic guilt

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idea comes from i think so so you know i

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had the same moment that you spoke about

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that one day i was it was already in

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toronto i was already in my 20s and i

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was you know on my knees in the church

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and i said father i'm not worthy anybody

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just hit me why am i not worthy why am i

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behaving like a slave why am i on my

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knees even you know early christian

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paintings actually not paintings but

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carvings show

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people praying standing up you know with

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their hands spread open to the divine

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energy

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world you know to the joy of connecting

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with a divine and here i am like begging

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for forgiveness i have not done anything

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yet and i will tell you it's really

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funny i was living in a committed

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relationship with a man in toronto for

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many years and it

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by all means it was a marriage we just

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didn't have a

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church wedding but i was that catholic

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at that time and you know when i got my

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degree

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everybody went to church because it was

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pontifical institute right and i was the

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only one who didn't go for the communion

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what they call the holy communion

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because i thought i was a sinner because

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i was not married in a church

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[Music]

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you know like this kind of brainwashing

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absolutely right absolutely like i'm

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just not worthy because i didn't do

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something they said i should be doing

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yes

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and i think that's good context i think

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a lot of people who did grow up

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similarly will resonate with that and

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let's get into that

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crazy personal experience so the first

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part of your book is largely about that

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and i really wanted to make sure we got

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into it early because when we're talking

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about biblical texts and the history of

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religion and goddesses it can be easy

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for non-religious people or ex-religious

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people to feel as if well why should i

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care about this stuff they took up

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enough of my time and did enough damage

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but when

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the listeners hear about this experience

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you had it'll be pretty self-evident why

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it's important because something was

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hidden from us it seems

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yes absolutely so when i was studying so

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when i was studying chapter 29 as i said

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for a year and a half we were meeting it

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was a study group we were meeting once a

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week

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spontaneously i had this experience so i

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describe it in quite detail in the book

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and it's quite interesting in a sense

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that he actually

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spontaneously also not intentionally

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fulfilled all the criteria because

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tantra loka is a very provocative work

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especially chapter 29 so as we are

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saying before it is not about improving

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your sexual life it is about reaching

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enlightenment and it is also about

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you know sexual ritual which should

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happen ideally with someone to whom you

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are not emotionally attached and i know

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that people are cringing now

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right because it sounds like such a

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decadent thing

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but

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there are reasons behind it you

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shouldn't be emotionally attached to

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this person in the sense

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that if you are emotionally attached if

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you want to create a long-term

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relationship with this person then

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there's lots of baggage attached to this

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you want to please each other you you

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have some agendas towards each other

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which are conscious or unconscious and

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the purpose of the whole ritual is about

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you

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focusing

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entirely on the purpose of reaching

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expanded consciousness expanded sense of

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consciousness so i'm not saying here

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that you cannot be in a committed

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relationship and do this but then you

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have to be really spiritually evolved

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to be able to focus on this and forget

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your past and not worry about the future

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and being open to whatever happens after

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that

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so for most couples it is very difficult

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i think you'll probably agree right

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because there's lots of bounding us

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together and that's normal and

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appropriately

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healthy and so on

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so at that time and i'm just completely

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exposing myself here so at that time

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very unusually i had a very casual

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sexual relationship simply because i was

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getting over somebody with whom i had a

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long term and very passionate and

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important relationship in my life

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so in the sense i fulfill the criteria

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which were basically you're a seeker you

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initiated you study the scripture the

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tantric scripture and you are not

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connected to your partner in a great

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emotional way because we just liked each

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other right that was just an attraction

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and

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this is what happened basically i'm not

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going to explain the graphic details but

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during the love making

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i started

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to feel kundalini energy waking up in me

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and i'm saying it with

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a little bit of caution because some

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people say like oh i'm so tired over

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this new age yoga

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kundalini stuff but what is kundalini

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really it is called in tantra loki it is

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basically your life

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energy this is the divine spark within

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you but unlikely gnosticism when

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sometimes the divine spark is understood

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as knowledge only this is a living

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knowledge something that is wiser and

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bigger than you but lives within you so

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it would be like the divine spark but

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it's also very vital it's not just

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intellectual it might make myself clear

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sure

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and according to

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classical tantra everybody has it

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it is basically represented as a serpent

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at the bottom of your spine and through

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sexual rituals or actually through even

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you know lustful sex you know it could

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even happen like that this energy can be

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awakened at the bottom of your spine and

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i started to feel this energy moving and

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it's a really strange feeling because

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people ask me so was it like you or was

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it like some other entity within you and

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it really feels like both because it was

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me but it was almost like an evolve me

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if you can imagine this it was it was me

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but it was me that was so much wiser and

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so much more powerful so it was more

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also almost like me in my full potential

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but not by me that i am at the moment

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right it limited me it was unlimited me

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and it started to move

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upwards towards my spine exploded

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in my heart and actually when i

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physically you know i was

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lit up you know like you could see it

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physically even i could see like very

557
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,559
sad any light in the room a physical

558
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,799
glow you're saying yeah physical glow

559
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,559
and we're not talking about kind of sexy

560
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,559
glow you know we're talking about like

561
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,200
energy you know it is just like a lamp

562
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,600
yeah right physical growth and this is

563
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,880
you know the man was just like

564
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,559
fortunately he had some spiritual

565
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,159
understanding and he

566
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,480
realized what is going on and what

567
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:24,799
happened it is as it is described

568
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,520
actually in the scriptures that a woman

569
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,760
is the carrier of his energy and this

570
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:31,840
energy through sexual acts spells on the

571
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,400
man so a woman needs a man to wake up

572
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,960
this energy in her and then she spews it

573
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,360
over to a man so they both get their

574
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,000
experience of divine consciousness

575
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,080
so it's kind of very masculine feminine

576
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:46,080
kind of thing going on here

577
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,280
and then

578
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,280
he started you know he went into a kind

579
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,919
of meditative and he was blown away of

580
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,360
course at first

581
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,000
meditative state you know however you

582
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:58,640
know the energy started to proceed and

583
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,520
then moved to it towards my forehead and

584
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,600
then it stopped there

585
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,480
it stopped there and exploded again you

586
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,240
know and i again kind of lit up

587
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,640
physically lit up and we went into this

588
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,440
meditative state which lasted for a very

589
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,360
long time but it's not only that it is a

590
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:17,919
meditative state i started to perceive

591
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,440
reality obviously not now but then

592
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,159
when this happened you know as energy so

593
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,960
i just saw basically particles of energy

594
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,320
around me

595
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,440
but not

596
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,600
i realized i had experience of the world

597
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:33,919
not being material so to speak because

598
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,400
we usually speak about spirit and matter

599
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,039
right which is a very kind of

600
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,000
materialistic polarity but

601
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,080
this was more like

602
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,080
it was experience of energy

603
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,840
you know what quantum physicists are

604
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,240
talking about so i just saw particles of

605
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,320
energy around myself

606
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,640
and what was interesting about it that

607
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,480
this because people say how do you know

608
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,559
that it wasn't just orgasm

609
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,600
you know

610
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,480
and i say i know because this energy was

611
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:04,960
very conscious it was wise it was

612
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,440
powerful you know it was bigger than me

613
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,520
it was moving for me speeding up on the

614
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,000
man and also by the time it got to my

615
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,679
forehead

616
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,600
it kind of posed for a moment almost

617
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,120
like thinking

618
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,280
what's next you know am i going to leave

619
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,360
it here and let them have a good time or

620
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:23,440
am i going to give them like a

621
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,320
experience of cosmic consciousness

622
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,799
and obviously decided you know to give

623
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,880
us this spiritual experience although it

624
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,559
goes beyond i think distinction between

625
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:33,840
spiritual

626
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,799
and material and this bliss lasted for a

627
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,320
very long time

628
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,159
and you know i remember eight days later

629
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,080
standing at the bus stop you know and

630
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,520
being completely actually almost

631
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,919
dysfunctional because i just see energy

632
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:48,400
around myself wow you know and just

633
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,760
outlines of people and objects

634
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,760
so it is a little bit like by saying the

635
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,679
gospel of thomas

636
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,840
or even blake said you know cleansing

637
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,760
your doors of perceptions and this is

638
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,600
what happened and this is what in

639
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,000
chapter 29 is promise you'll be walking

640
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,159
like gods and goddesses

641
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:09,120
on the earth because you will enter what

642
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,240
they called

643
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:12,159
goddess consciousness

644
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,360
right so you

645
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:15,360
you beyond the normal distinctions of

646
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,200
matter and spirit right right wow

647
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,039
that is such a wild experience i've

648
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,440
heard you call it erotic rapture which

649
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:26,159
is a really great term that i like

650
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:27,279
and

651
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,880
intentional you're with a partner that

652
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:36,000
is you know casual based on lust that's

653
00:25:13,590 --> 00:24:36,799
a

654
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,600
i didn't even expect it

655
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:15,600
so there's nothing unusual about the

656
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,039
love making except that i was

657
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,279
imbued with the teachings if i can say

658
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,080
because we were just after the study

659
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,880
session and i was such a

660
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,720
committed student of this you know i

661
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,200
really wanted to understand everything i

662
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,039
really wanted to understand what is

663
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,520
going on in tantra loca and it's an

664
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,760
extremely difficult text to read it is

665
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,080
very encoded and it is encoded for

666
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,120
several reasons because it was being

667
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:45,760
practiced by abhinava gupta and by other

668
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,480
brahmins which was completely forbidden

669
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:50,000
because they have to have like a

670
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,200
excellent

671
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,279
morally proper life

672
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,679
you know no sex or just sex with our

673
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,080
wives and you know no wine

674
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,799
and no meat and so on you know and the

675
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,640
ritual actually if you do the ritual as

676
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,640
it is described which is you know we

677
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,200
didn't do this it is you're supposed to

678
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,360
drink wine with menstrual blood and so

679
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,600
on you do all of these forbidden things

680
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,159
for religious purposes so it's an act of

681
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,440
like a

682
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:17,200
rebellion

683
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,559
against

684
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,039
all the rules so to speak to go beyond

685
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,520
all the rules and to go straight to the

686
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:24,960
divine mind

687
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:28,320
so apart from the fact that i was

688
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:29,200
still

689
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,640
you know every sacred text has an energy

690
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,039
so if you really connect with the text

691
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,880
if you are really devotional in this

692
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,640
text in devotional in the sense that

693
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,960
you're not praying to this but you

694
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,200
you're giving your energy to this you

695
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,520
you study this with great passion you

696
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,000
know and devotion and by devotion i mean

697
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,080
you really want to understand what is

698
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,600
conveyed there

699
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,080
then the text gives you this energy as

700
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,000
well you know it's a reciprocity between

701
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,320
you and the sacred text and anybody who

702
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,240
studies some people have it with rumi's

703
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,159
poems you know

704
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:04,240
there's certain energy that they give

705
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,120
you

706
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,279
this kind of text so this is the only

707
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,880
thing i can think about without just

708
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,640
coming back from the study session and

709
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,880
this is when it happened but nothing

710
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,919
physical

711
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,279
and that's why when i was trying to

712
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,840
describe this experience the one

713
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,840
i wanted to write an article you know to

714
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,840
a mail magazine they said oh this is a

715
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,520
great stuff but can you tell us what you

716
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,000
did physically

717
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,760
and i said i can't because it was just

718
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,000
nothing you know it was normal you know

719
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,559
it was a normal intercourse

720
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,120
well it is all interesting because you

721
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,960
mentioned doing some things that are

722
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,120
considered taboo you know the drinking

723
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,679
of of wine and menstrual blood and and

724
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,279
this sort of stuff well when

725
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,760
i talk to people who are

726
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:48,240
discussing sex magic in a darker way

727
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:51,440
like in a provocative secret society way

728
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,799
it does include these sorts of protocols

729
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:56,480
and that's where people start to think

730
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,919
oh this is blasphemous and dark and evil

731
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,440
because you're

732
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,080
going with all these taboos but it's

733
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,399
like blasphemous to who the catholic

734
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,480
church i mean are they the authority on

735
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,320
on morality i mean i think they've got

736
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,159
some skeletons in the closet and if

737
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,840
we're going to consider them to be

738
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,600
gatekeepers of knowledge more than

739
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,399
anything

740
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,640
it starts in enlightenment too it starts

741
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,279
to be like well let's reverse engineer

742
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:22,880
it all and how did these certain

743
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,840
protocols become bad and evil

744
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,360
it's like because it seems kind of

745
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,880
mundane i mean you might say it's a

746
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:30,399
little gross that you don't want to do

747
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,360
it but

748
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,440
it's not evil i mean there's definitely

749
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,200
a distinction between

750
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,679
gross and evil but

751
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,520
it's just like where do these ideas come

752
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,279
from when they institute them and the

753
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,880
catholic church says don't do any of

754
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,720
this stuff and this stuff leads to

755
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,960
spiritual experience leads to

756
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,640
consciousness expansion and

757
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,559
enlightenment it's like well

758
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,240
you know why did they say not to do

759
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,600
these things it's also kind of like

760
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,200
psychedelics they don't want you to take

761
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:57,840
psychedelics because it opens the doors

762
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,279
of perception and it's like there's many

763
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,840
paths that lead to enlightenment and

764
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,480
they tried to gatekeep all of them i

765
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,120
just wasn't aware of this sexual one and

766
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:11,039
it started to make me think i wonder if

767
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,559
the institution

768
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,360
and sacrament of marriage itself

769
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,360
is a way to keep people from this

770
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,919
experience i'm happy in my marriage but

771
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,840
you said that one of the protocols is

772
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:23,279
you know you shouldn't do this with a

773
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,880
person that you're have a deep love with

774
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,559
and so that's another thing if you say

775
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,559
hey you got to get married when you turn

776
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,720
18 and then you ever get divorced you're

777
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,880
going straight to hell so you better not

778
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:37,120
it's like well there's not a lot of time

779
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:38,960
to have such an experience in erotic

780
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,919
rapture under those conditions

781
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:43,760
that's a very deep and interesting you

782
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,399
know questions that you gave me and very

783
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,360
appropriate so there is a context to all

784
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,600
of us and yes you are right with

785
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,440
everything you said however you can do

786
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,880
it with your partner under the

787
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,480
conditions that

788
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,559
your focus is on expansion of

789
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,840
consciousness

790
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,600
and on detachment which may be very

791
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,600
difficult with in a relationship of a

792
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,919
long-term relationship right that's why

793
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,640
it is easier to achieve this kind of

794
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:10,159
state of consciousness with somebody

795
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,440
with whom you don't have this kind of

796
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,919
attachment however when we talk about

797
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,919
you know the menstrual so there are a

798
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:18,000
few aspects to what you just said

799
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,600
however when we are talking about

800
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:21,600
drinking wine with menstrual blood which

801
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,640
we didn't do it right so when you do it

802
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,399
in a ritualistic way when which we

803
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,520
didn't for us it was just spontaneous

804
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,000
so the reason why they did it it wasn't

805
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:33,600
just to be gross

806
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:34,799
because

807
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,080
in hinduism and in every religion really

808
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,919
you know not only in catholicism not

809
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,880
only in hinduism we men are not and

810
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,039
women female energy and especially

811
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,880
female sexuality is very tightly

812
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,559
controlled and this is what we have to

813
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,520
ask ourselves why and i think the answer

814
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:53,440
is that this is such a

815
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:54,480
power

816
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,000
this is energy this is a huge energy and

817
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,720
they just decided to use this energy

818
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,880
it's like a nuclear weapon you can use

819
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,279
it for good you know nuclear power or

820
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,440
for bad

821
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,360
right so veggie has decided to use

822
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,960
something that is so powerful like

823
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,799
female sexuality when it is fully

824
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,320
awakened

825
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:16,720
this can take us like a you know fast

826
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,070
having said so you know this menstrual

827
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:24,880
blood it was a ritual to

828
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:33,669
i am not rejecting it anymore

829
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:36,799
what is feminine even in church fathers

830
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,519
i read you know it is woman is just a

831
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,480
piece of meat and blood and completely

832
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,679
vile

833
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,919
they actually wrote about it you know in

834
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:47,600
every christian writings and throughout

835
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:50,640
middle ages and until recently

836
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,519
so

837
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,159
what tantra does actually it reverses

838
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:55,840
everything

839
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,440
upside down so what is being normally

840
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:01,760
considered as

841
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:04,159
lower they make it high

842
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:04,960
right

843
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,240
so they said no i own a feminine energy

844
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,960
i can even drink wine you know menstrual

845
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,360
blood to honor you know what feminine

846
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:16,559
energy has that's why part of tantra

847
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,159
loca is about drinking sexual fluids

848
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,799
it is about you know oral sex very deep

849
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,360
oral sex on the feminine because they

850
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,600
say that feminine sexual organs

851
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,760
represent the motion of the universe

852
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,919
which is contracts and expands so

853
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,320
there's the whole philosophy behind it

854
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,399
and it is also an act of rebellion

855
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,039
against this prohibition

856
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,600
you know but it's only about marriage

857
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:43,840
that you know eros is bad that the

858
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,120
feminine is bad so it is tantric us and

859
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,320
there was a very also a radical group of

860
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,960
tantricas called kapalikas who took it

861
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,320
you know to the

862
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,600
you know really weird level you know but

863
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,559
it is basically an act of devotion of

864
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,600
using female energy to become one with

865
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,399
god so it's not just so it is gross it

866
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,600
is like

867
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,679
i honor what is normally considered

868
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:10,640
gross

869
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,640
i only what is normally rejected

870
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,000
does it make sense

871
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,039
and also it is true and i didn't look

872
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,960
there because other people do it very

873
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,840
well

874
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,440
you know and i wanted to focus on the

875
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,279
positive side of this because it was

876
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,320
used as a form of enlightenment but yes

877
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:30,399
it is i'm certain that it used in some

878
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,600
dark societies because they know that it

879
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,760
is a great power

880
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,799
so they use it to that dark ends

881
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,279
so my question is why not use it for

882
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,279
good ants right

883
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,480
right especially that it was it was

884
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,039
it was actually invented for that

885
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,600
purpose and then like with everything

886
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,080
you know the powers at hand they take

887
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,720
something good you know and hijack it

888
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:58,880
right because they want money they want

889
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:02,000
power god knows what this you know

890
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,600
monsters want

891
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:04,720
but

892
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,560
dark the purpose was you know so you

893
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,119
walk like goats and goddesses on earth

894
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,119
you know in constant consciousness not

895
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,040
so you make money and you know enslave

896
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,800
other people

897
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,040
right right well you know catholicism

898
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,639
has often been described as like a

899
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,800
corporate religion obviously it is like

900
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,520
a business more than anything and

901
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,760
if you can get direct spiritual

902
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,079
experience then what do you need them

903
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,040
for so any avenue to get there you had

904
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,720
to be removed and then you know we are

905
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,440
the liaison to god you know just give us

906
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,200
a couple of bucks and we'll tell you

907
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:46,079
you're forgiven and all will be well

908
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,960
and

909
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:49,200
i like this phrase in your book where

910
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,240
you say

911
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:52,720
from kali to aphrodite

912
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,839
from shakti to inanna we descend into

913
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,920
the underworlds of creative chaos and

914
00:35:01,589 --> 00:35:00,160
back into the wombs of forgotten

915
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,599
stargates

916
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,680
and that's just very provocative

917
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,320
phrasing i assume you're referencing to

918
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:08,480
the very experience you described

919
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,839
earlier but wombs of forgotten stargates

920
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,160
that's awesome you know so often these

921
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:16,720
magical techniques we're talking about

922
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,000
remote viewing astral travel telepathy

923
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:22,240
these are like mental effects

924
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,359
that

925
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,359
fall into the umbrella

926
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,000
of magic and so yeah i guess it's just

927
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,480
there are sexual methods of getting

928
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,040
there as well and

929
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,880
maybe the womb itself is a stargate

930
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,560
we're learning i just think that's

931
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,079
really interesting

932
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,079
yes i think so and you you're correct

933
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,760
when you say that this is just one of

934
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,160
many methods and abhinava gupta says the

935
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,359
same right so tantra loka is a big work

936
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:49,680
and chapter 29 is just one of many

937
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,800
chapters

938
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,440
but the reason why people you know we

939
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:55,680
started to focus on this one it is

940
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,720
because sexuality is such a rejected

941
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:00,880
thing right and he says no even

942
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,160
sexuality can be the stargate and the

943
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,680
reason why i started to look at this

944
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:07,839
target because i then started to look at

945
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,040
the lineage of the goddesses in the west

946
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,960
that you know erotic goddesses it

947
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,280
started with mary magdalene for me and i

948
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:16,800
made the connection and i'm not the

949
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,599
first one in the sense i admit this to

950
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,520
connection to other ancient goddesses

951
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,359
such as you know the anunnaki goddess

952
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:24,480
nimna

953
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,710
egyptian isis in mary magdalene and they

954
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,800
carry the same symbolism which is you

955
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,760
know they carry all higher magic and

956
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,240
also erotic symbolism there and they're

957
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,119
always present about you know and the

958
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,960
process of resurrection either they

959
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,520
resurrect someone else their partner or

960
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,160
even themselves so

961
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,920
that was definitely a theme and yet

962
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,720
consistently with goddesses women or

963
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,400
priestesses because somebody you know

964
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,160
i've had a conversation recently about

965
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,079
mary magdalene what do you call her

966
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:01,920
goddess and so on and we can get into

967
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,320
this if you want to but basically they

968
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,640
were the stargates they were even

969
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,119
there was some kind of necessary element

970
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:11,680
there which is a feminine element for

971
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:14,560
people to go through this target or for

972
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,000
open you know opening of dimensions

973
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:20,640
right and these women who were part of

974
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:24,160
this ritual part of his program so to

975
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,040
speak

976
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,359
of his training were

977
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,280
called prostitutes they were called

978
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,119
harlots and

979
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,760
there were demeans so this in itself is

980
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,440
quite interesting

981
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,280
that women who carried this secret

982
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,800
knowledge that's had to do something

983
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:41,359
with errors resurrection passing between

984
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:42,640
dimensions

985
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,680
were so vilified by mainstream religions

986
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,079
this insane this in itself is an

987
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,359
interesting concept to explore

988
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,440
yeah well there's probably a lot of ego

989
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,680
and jealousy involved there when it

990
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,599
comes to men studying this thing if

991
00:38:02,950 --> 00:37:59,920
there is some feminine

992
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,960
gift as you refer to it in some areas

993
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,800
that only a female can give an

994
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,040
enlightening experience

995
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,880
well you know they're going to be mad

996
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,400
about that certain people are going to

997
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,480
be upset about that especially people in

998
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,640
positions of authority because they

999
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,680
can't access it and they can't really

1000
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:19,680
gate keep it except to

1001
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,839
suppress it and make it seem dirty and

1002
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,400
slander the people who do have that

1003
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,440
which brings us to mary magdalene

1004
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:31,440
most people obviously as you say know

1005
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,560
her as a horror prostitute but you talk

1006
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,920
about

1007
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,400
a hijack that happened and that was

1008
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,480
actually much later in the original

1009
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,560
context for her

1010
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,320
it really wasn't like that and you could

1011
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,000
go a bit further and talk about the

1012
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,079
gnostic text because they say something

1013
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:49,920
totally different about her and there's

1014
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,480
actually a gospel of mary surprisingly

1015
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:53,680
right

1016
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,839
because my first encounter with a

1017
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,599
different mari magdalene was in

1018
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,560
jerusalem

1019
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,720
in the russian orthodox church on the

1020
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,200
mount of olive when i noticed you know

1021
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,760
it's now very famous painting when she's

1022
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,920
standing there with her hand extended

1023
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,160
and with the egg in her hand and there

1024
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,000
is a medieval legend about it which i'm

1025
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:15,520
not going to cover because i think it's

1026
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,200
very naive but it reminded me you know

1027
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:21,040
of other goddesses that i mentioned

1028
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,200
before especially with nimna nana ishtar

1029
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,760
isis that are portrayed in a similar way

1030
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,520
and i thought they are standing with our

1031
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,000
hands extended with a gift to humanity

1032
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:34,000
and what is this gift right and this is

1033
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,280
how the search started but originally

1034
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,200
when we go back to christianity mary

1035
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,960
magdalene was not considered to be a

1036
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,440
prostitute in fact mary magdalene was

1037
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,440
not considered to be a prostitute until

1038
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,000
exactly 591

1039
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,880
in the 6th century when pope gregory the

1040
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,800
first made a great

1041
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,560
i would say great maybe that's why he's

1042
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,359
got also the great made a scriptural

1043
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,560
mistake

1044
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,200
and conflated mary magdalene with a

1045
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:03,839
woman's cena mentioned in the gospel

1046
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:06,960
in the canonical gospels first of all

1047
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:10,560
so it was homily 33 591

1048
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,520
and

1049
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,599
there's no evidence in the gospel about

1050
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,520
it first of all the woman sinner was not

1051
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:16,800
called mary

1052
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,520
unnamed and even if she and mary

1053
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,359
magdalene were the same woman although

1054
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:25,599
there is no evidence for this the word

1055
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:28,720
prostitute which is pouring in greek was

1056
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:32,400
never used in the bible not even once

1057
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:35,599
the word used towards this woman cena is

1058
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,040
actually hermatolos which means

1059
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,359
on the sin about somebody who broke a

1060
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,520
jewish law and it could be anything

1061
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,680
maybe she didn't pay her taxes so she's

1062
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,359
not even an adulteress she's not a

1063
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,839
prostitute and she is not called mary

1064
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,040
magdalene

1065
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,280
so the whole thing is very flimsy and

1066
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,839
even the catholic church in 1969

1067
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,440
admitted that there is no scriptural

1068
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,040
evidence for mary magdalene to be a

1069
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,560
prostitute or to be this woman

1070
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,720
so that's in itself is interesting and

1071
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,560
then i started to look into gnostic

1072
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,960
gospels so for example the gospel of

1073
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,119
mary magdalene was discovered in the

1074
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,280
19th century in egypt and there's an

1075
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,200
interesting story behind it

1076
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:18,000
however in this gospel she's portrayed

1077
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,440
as the

1078
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,160
most entrusted disciple of jesus with

1079
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,960
whom he shared his esoteric teachings

1080
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,680
and in fact his other disciples

1081
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,599
especially peter and this is very

1082
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,240
consistent in gnostic writings that

1083
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:34,480
peter is very jealous of mary magdalene

1084
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,280
you know

1085
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,000
so because of he asks how did teacher

1086
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,760
tell you all of his things how come we

1087
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,359
don't know about it

1088
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,760
because gnostics believe that jesus gave

1089
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,440
three levels of teachings the simple

1090
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,200
teachings that we have in the bible

1091
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,800
which were for you know people around

1092
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,040
the lake of galilee where he taught and

1093
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,200
the second level to his disciples and

1094
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,800
the third level he gave to mary

1095
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,200
magdalene and some scholars also

1096
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,440
believed to john who were his most

1097
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,359
advanced teaching

1098
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:03,920
disciples i'm sorry circles

1099
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,560
and in other words such as

1100
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,359
the gospel of philip she is called

1101
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,000
jesus coinos which means his special

1102
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:13,760
partner

1103
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,640
and the same she is also his favorite

1104
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,640
disciple in pistes sophia which is

1105
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,280
another gnostic work which is a kind of

1106
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,040
a question and answer session between

1107
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,520
jesus and his disciples where disciples

1108
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,000
ask 42 questions and out of his 42

1109
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,520
questions 39 are asked by mary magdalene

1110
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,839
and they are very esoteric questions and

1111
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,000
peter again gets really upset and he

1112
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,240
says you know why is she even here you

1113
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,640
know she's a woman and jesus telling him

1114
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,280
to shut up and he says peter become

1115
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,280
because you know she's imbued with the

1116
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,599
spirit

1117
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:48,960
so

1118
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:53,119
the most advanced

1119
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,560
disciple of jesus and in some instances

1120
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,200
also as his partner

1121
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,440
so this is the gospel of mary magdalene

1122
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,760
but also in nag hamadi when i mentioned

1123
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,319
gospel of philippe or pisti sofia so

1124
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:08,240
there's an interesting story behind

1125
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:11,680
nagahamadi there because

1126
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,640
it was discovered in 1945

1127
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,000
and

1128
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,920
this is the story that i shared only one

1129
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,640
more

1130
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,880
podcast and i discussed also miguel

1131
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,119
connor who actually pointed me towards

1132
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,040
this one particular scholarly work and

1133
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,119
in my book i mentioned it only in in one

1134
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,119
sentence yes because i didn't know how

1135
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,920
to react to it but actually the scrolls

1136
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,920
in la hamadi were found next to a

1137
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,240
skeleton strangely looking skeleton with

1138
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:38,160
elongated fingers and

1139
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,920
teeth so i think that maybe your

1140
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,599
audience would be interested in it you

1141
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,480
know because yes of course

1142
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,720
there is a kind of other worldly element

1143
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,520
to it you know strange looking skeleton

1144
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,160
who had this jar next to him

1145
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,240
yeah very strange and i definitely had

1146
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:56,079
that on the list of things to ask you

1147
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:56,960
about

1148
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,440
it's crazy because elongated skull

1149
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,520
weird teeth maybe a second row of teeth

1150
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:05,599
or elongated teeth these are the

1151
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,800
qualities that people tend to peg to

1152
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,720
what they say is the nephilim people

1153
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,800
think like the nephilim lived and they

1154
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,040
were giants and that these elongated

1155
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,119
skulls that they find the paracas skulls

1156
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,920
and central america that they are the

1157
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,760
remnants of this but

1158
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,880
either way

1159
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,760
these nagamati scriptures like basically

1160
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,760
the bulk or is it is it all we know

1161
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,000
about gnosticism

1162
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,839
well it's not necessarily all that we

1163
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,160
know about gnosticism but it is you know

1164
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,640
that we had like 40 scrolls discovered

1165
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,880
there so mary magda got the gospel of

1166
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,040
mary magdalene discovered about 50 if

1167
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:43,920
i'm correct 50 or 55 years earlier

1168
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,440
so this is the main source of this but

1169
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,839
we know about gnostics

1170
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,359
okay so this is actually an excellent

1171
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,760
question this is for the first time that

1172
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,240
we got the original writings because we

1173
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,480
knew about gnostics from second century

1174
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,000
and on

1175
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:03,119
when people who were

1176
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,640
trying to form

1177
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:06,720
the institutionalized religion the new

1178
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,520
institutional religion christianity like

1179
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,520
irenaeus and so on between second and

1180
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,440
fourth century were writing about the

1181
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,040
gnostics

1182
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,319
but in a very derogatory way with

1183
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,160
terrible people that you know don't want

1184
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,760
to follow the church but they don't want

1185
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,280
to create their church but they think

1186
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,920
that they can you know find nauseous or

1187
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,599
connection with god you know by

1188
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,200
themselves

1189
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,359
and some of them use sexual rituals for

1190
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,480
this that ordain women you know

1191
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,560
worst thing of all

1192
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:39,359
you know so we knew about gnostics but

1193
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,400
always from this negative side

1194
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,040
what people who were antiagnostic were

1195
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:47,680
telling about gnostics

1196
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,240
and nakhamadi for the first time we had

1197
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:52,160
the actual documents written by the

1198
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,280
gnostics

1199
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,280
right okay that makes sense first time

1200
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,520
we had the the first hand writings and

1201
00:46:05,030 --> 00:45:59,760
they were found next to this weird

1202
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,040
nephilim-like alien skeleton yeah

1203
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,480
so i don't know what to make out of this

1204
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,839
that's why i just left it in one

1205
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,440
sentence you know maybe it's another

1206
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,119
book i don't know or maybe someone else

1207
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,520
will pick up on this but it is kind of

1208
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,280
interesting because

1209
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,800
it gives you a completely different

1210
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:19,200
perspective you know on

1211
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,480
what was going on with early

1212
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,000
christianity

1213
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,920
but

1214
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,359
one more thing that perhaps i would like

1215
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,359
to discuss if you don't mind which i

1216
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,280
think is my original research is what

1217
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,119
happened to mary magdalene after the

1218
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:32,960
crucifixion would you mind if i cover

1219
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,920
this no go for it okay

1220
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,760
so because there is such a long-standing

1221
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,960
tradition

1222
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,200
especially nowadays with mary magdalene

1223
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,359
going to southern france after the

1224
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,599
crucifixion and it is historically

1225
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,000
possible because i checked this

1226
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,480
however you know even there

1227
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,240
it is mentioned that mary magdalene

1228
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,240
didn't go to france

1229
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,800
until 15 years after the crucifixion and

1230
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,200
it didn't make any sense simply because

1231
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,599
you know they were all persecuted so all

1232
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,240
disciples moved around and left the holy

1233
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,560
land so i was asking myself

1234
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,160
first of all i'm not totally convinced

1235
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,480
about the french tradition although you

1236
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,640
know it is a strong tradition

1237
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,800
then i thought even if it is true

1238
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,560
you know what did she do for next 15

1239
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,720
years you know she certainly didn't stay

1240
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,599
in jerusalem or you know in

1241
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,280
any way in the holy land because it was

1242
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,280
not safe for them so

1243
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,680
it was a kind of uh

1244
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,000
interesting spiritual detective work

1245
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,760
because

1246
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,640
i came across a work of another scholar

1247
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,280
johnny taylor who was talking about

1248
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:39,920
file of alexandria and his work a first

1249
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,520
century philosopher in alexandria

1250
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:46,000
in his work vita contemplativa and then

1251
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,200
she mentioned

1252
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,520
which caught my attention

1253
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,960
that

1254
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,040
he mentions a group of philosophers in

1255
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,920
alexandria called therapeutic

1256
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,280
who were inviting spiritually and

1257
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:01,920
prophetically and intellectually

1258
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,960
advanced women which was very unusual

1259
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:06,880
right because women were not allowed to

1260
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,040
have this kind of activities not only

1261
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,520
this they had a connection both with the

1262
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,520
temple of isis

1263
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,240
in egypt in alexandria but also with

1264
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,839
some gnostic groups especially the

1265
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,440
essenes in the holy land so i thought

1266
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,040
this is very interesting because there

1267
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:24,880
are some scholars that argue that jesus

1268
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,920
was connected to the essenes

1269
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:29,920
so i thought okay if i were mary

1270
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,040
magdalene i probably you know and if i

1271
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:35,200
agnostic mary magdalene and this is what

1272
00:49:07,349 --> 00:48:36,000
i

1273
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,359
so

1274
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,040
would it be possible that she went to

1275
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,200
alexandria

1276
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,920
so i started to search whether there was

1277
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,079
a woman who would feed the description

1278
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,000
of mary magdalene at least a little bit

1279
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,319
at that time in alexandria and i found

1280
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:22,160
that there was a historical figure

1281
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:22,960
called

1282
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,839
maryva alchemist who specialized in

1283
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,160
spiritual alchemy which specializes in

1284
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,440
ascension

1285
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,599
not in turning you know based methods

1286
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,760
into gold but ascension

1287
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,559
she was also called mary the prophetess

1288
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,000
which would fit into the gnostic

1289
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,960
description of mary magdalene or mary

1290
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,480
the jewish

1291
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,319
which would also you know apply to mary

1292
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,280
magdalene and in the third century

1293
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:49,119
famous which is a historical figure

1294
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:52,880
famous alchemist zosimos from acme said

1295
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,160
that one of his biggest predecessors was

1296
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,079
this woman marry the prophetess mary

1297
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,400
vegeta's maryville alchemist

1298
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,720
and the reason why she was out to open

1299
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,760
school in alexandria it is because she

1300
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:07,920
was not fully egyptian she was only

1301
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,640
partly egyptian or jewish

1302
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:13,280
which means because egyptians were not

1303
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:14,559
allowed to share their knowledge

1304
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,190
and then i checked in the

1305
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,280
open sources of national library of

1306
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,000
israel and it states that definitely

1307
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:28,160
this figure mary the prophetess existed

1308
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,440
and did live in

1309
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:31,440
ancient alexandria and they even had

1310
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,160
some kind of physical artifacts you know

1311
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:35,920
from her alchemical

1312
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,800
studio as we would say today right

1313
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:40,960
and then i thought that perhaps another

1314
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,240
interesting aspect of this is that

1315
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,440
zosimos who wrote about her

1316
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,520
lived in acme and the gospel of mary

1317
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,680
magdalene was also found in acme in

1318
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,760
egypt so that perhaps there was already

1319
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,240
a tradition of her teachings there

1320
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,319
so that's the story that i would like to

1321
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,720
put forward in my book as well

1322
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:02,720
yes that's really interesting about her

1323
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,160
going to alexandria and before i really

1324
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,760
let you go i did want to ask you about

1325
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,200
this because i heard you mentioned in a

1326
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,760
previous interview that you said

1327
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,240
obviously men have sexuality too but

1328
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,400
they have not been taught how to honor

1329
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,520
or uplift it and since this has been so

1330
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:21,839
feminine centric i'm just curious what

1331
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,119
your thoughts are on that if we're

1332
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:28,319
often taught it's about conquest or

1333
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,520
you know

1334
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,160
that's just kind of the male perspective

1335
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,760
is often that it is about some kind of

1336
00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:35,119
conquest

1337
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,200
how do we take these themes and

1338
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,800
recontextualize sexuality for men in a

1339
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,400
healthier way

1340
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,240
in your opinion

1341
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,400
that's a very interesting question greg

1342
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:47,839
thank you for this

1343
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,680
so yes i also say that men were not

1344
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,760
were given more sexual freedom but they

1345
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,760
were not told how to honor their

1346
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,000
sexuality none of us were

1347
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,240
right none of them were so i think we

1348
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,760
already have a wound there because we

1349
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,760
think it's something horrible

1350
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,760
or we want to use other people i think

1351
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,680
in case of especially this kind of

1352
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:09,920
primal man you know to use

1353
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,960
women for bisexuality and so on but i

1354
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,599
think that what we really need to do

1355
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,440
both women and men

1356
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,760
we really need to swim going back to the

1357
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,480
feminine it is that we need a woman that

1358
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:24,880
it feels empowered in a healthy way

1359
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,079
sexually because that's only then we can

1360
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,400
have a you know good relationship with

1361
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:32,880
each other otherwise we have this kind

1362
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,640
of either unsure or dependent or toxic

1363
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,960
feminine and it's very difficult to have

1364
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,720
so i'm asking also women to take

1365
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,440
responsibility for this right we cannot

1366
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,680
have a clear relationship with us and

1367
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,599
also that's why i encourage people you

1368
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,000
know to discover this erotic connection

1369
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,319
and at the beginning of my book perhaps

1370
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,800
you remember i'm talking about this four

1371
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,800
tr few traps one

1372
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,800
trap is for example the

1373
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,960
romantic trap right

1374
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:02,880
which means that because we don't have

1375
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,520
an evolved feminine you know and the man

1376
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,440
that is usually thinking about conquest

1377
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,079
and this kind of alpha man and so on we

1378
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,240
fall into this romantic trap what is a

1379
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,240
romantic trap which means that we play

1380
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,559
all of this kind of ancient roles that

1381
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,480
were already outdated

1382
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,760
that

1383
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,760
we are not showing our true faces to

1384
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:23,280
each other because we really don't know

1385
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,119
who we are right so we men play the part

1386
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,000
of us a doctors and you know and and men

1387
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:31,680
play the part of a

1388
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,960
conquering man and i i say that this

1389
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:37,920
in this situation eros dies because

1390
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,319
there is no truth into this relationship

1391
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,119
we just try to show the best sides of

1392
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,119
ourselves but we truly not expose our

1393
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,200
souls to ourselves

1394
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:49,599
so i often say that you know a woman can

1395
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:52,480
wear a red dress for the same man only

1396
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:56,000
that many times to the same effect

1397
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,800
right

1398
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,559
eventually you know this is being

1399
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,160
exposed as unreal for both women and men

1400
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,119
so i still believe that we need

1401
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:07,920
to be complete in our relationships

1402
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,559
however not only in marriages but in any

1403
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,240
relationship and this is when i talk

1404
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,160
about erotic connection as different

1405
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,559
from marriage or romance

1406
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,559
we have to be really honest with each

1407
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:21,040
other you know but before we can be

1408
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,160
honest show

1409
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,559
good and bad and ugly and beautiful to

1410
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:26,640
each other allow ourselves to be

1411
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:30,240
vulnerable have an open communication

1412
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,119
and

1413
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:33,280
before this relationship can have any

1414
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,240
meaning

1415
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:37,200
but to do this very often we have to go

1416
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,400
in my opinion

1417
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,200
on a personal quest instead of marrying

1418
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,200
at 18 and this is what they tell us to

1419
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,520
do you know and in my books as you know

1420
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,680
i said that would mean death for me you

1421
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:49,680
know i realize as a young girl if i'm

1422
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,240
married before i know who i am we should

1423
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,559
go on more on a personal quest you know

1424
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:56,960
it was required in all kinds of

1425
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,319
indigenous societies but everybody goes

1426
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,160
men were allowed women were not allowed

1427
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,000
you know but now women are allowed and i

1428
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,400
went on a personal quest

1429
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:08,720
to discover at least

1430
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,680
partially who we are before we enter in

1431
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,720
into any meaningful relationship

1432
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,799
yes you know and then to be honest with

1433
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,720
each other this is who i am i'm not just

1434
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,440
a provider for a man right i don't know

1435
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,040
if i want to be a father and if i want

1436
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,559
to be a father i don't know if i want to

1437
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:26,799
be a father now i want to have a

1438
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,000
meaningful relationship with someone

1439
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,079
that is not only sexual and it is

1440
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,160
wonderful right to have a great sex with

1441
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,640
someone but it's meaningful erotically

1442
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:38,480
which means i really think like i open

1443
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,119
up to myself and to you and we want to

1444
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,040
talk about our sexual and other needs

1445
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,119
together are we on the same page with

1446
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,400
certain things and if we are not are we

1447
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,000
in agreement that we want to grow

1448
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,160
together to a certain point and then

1449
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,559
separate so i think there is so much to

1450
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:56,079
discover in female and male

1451
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,839
relationships that are outside of the

1452
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,240
current parameters of what marriage is

1453
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,240
having said so like you i'm also you

1454
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,079
know in a very happy relationship

1455
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:08,880
long-term relationship but in my case i

1456
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,240
got into this relationship later in life

1457
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,240
and i know that personally i'm not

1458
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,400
saying it's the case for everyone

1459
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,160
and so is my partner who with many

1460
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,319
relationships before me

1461
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,480
that in my case at least i would not be

1462
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,720
able to be in this relationship unless i

1463
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,280
discovered who i was also sexually

1464
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:28,799
erotically intellectually and

1465
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,559
spiritually

1466
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,799
and perhaps to admit to ourselves that

1467
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,799
not to use other people but be honest

1468
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,240
with other people and if we are all

1469
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:38,319
honest with each other that not every

1470
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,079
relationship has to end in marriage

1471
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,960
yes some of them if we allow ourselves

1472
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,200
on both sides without using anyone you

1473
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,880
know just that i'm just a learning

1474
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,240
lesson for me

1475
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,640
but you know we are learning we are just

1476
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,799
on this amazing

1477
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,040
adventure on this

1478
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,160
strange place called planet earth and

1479
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,799
you know this is a journey and we are

1480
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:04,799
just partners on this journey and let's

1481
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:07,119
see where it leads us but i don't think

1482
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,720
many people are ready for this kind of

1483
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,680
openness and learning

1484
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:13,680
i agree amen to that

1485
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,640
and you know just men are conditioned to

1486
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,720
think that we're supposed to drive the

1487
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,119
sexual experience lead the dance so to

1488
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:23,359
speak but this has been a really

1489
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:26,319
eye-opening flip on that script that a

1490
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,000
woman in the right conditions can

1491
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,680
actually provide an intense

1492
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:31,760
life-changing enlightenment breakthrough

1493
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:34,880
experience and a peek behind the veil is

1494
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,520
a true gift and that's just really

1495
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:38,880
interesting that

1496
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,079
we've gone so long without really ever

1497
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,920
unpacking this sort of thing so i just

1498
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,839
think the work you've done is really

1499
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,200
amazing and

1500
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,520
we covered a lot of great stuff went far

1501
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,599
outside what i might have expected but

1502
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,880
that is how you know it was a good

1503
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,960
interview your book is super interesting

1504
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,240
we didn't even talk about the

1505
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,000
merovingian bloodline or the knights

1506
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,480
templar both which make an appearance

1507
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,760
but we got to leave something for the

1508
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,599
readers anything else to

1509
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,520
tell the people in terms of following

1510
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:07,599
your work or your website or links or

1511
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:09,760
anything you're working on next

1512
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,799
sure

1513
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,480
i think that you know the best way to

1514
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,319
connect with me is actually from my book

1515
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,559
the other goddess because i really

1516
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,799
spilled my you know

1517
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,599
my soul and my body there you know right

1518
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,680
in the open and i think there is some

1519
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:25,599
truth in this kind of you know raw

1520
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,119
experiences backed also by research and

1521
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,520
i also have a facebook page dr joanna

1522
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:33,680
kuyaba and i have a small a youtube

1523
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,799
channel

1524
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,119
where i try to post you know twice a

1525
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,720
month few things although i do not

1526
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,200
consider myself really a podcaster you

1527
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,760
know the way you are or miguel is

1528
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,280
because i consider myself more of a

1529
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,440
spiritual detective that's why you know

1530
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,520
the book the other goddess is probably

1531
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,160
the best way to connect with me and also

1532
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,240
my facebook where i try to

1533
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,880
you know communicate very meaningfully

1534
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,119
with people who are there you know on on

1535
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:00,720
these topics

1536
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:01,520
so

1537
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,839
believe that all of us experiences that

1538
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:07,680
we spoke about are actually for our

1539
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,720
benefit and it is up to us you know how

1540
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,880
we are going to respond to these things

1541
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:14,720
that we experience

1542
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:17,599
including our sexuality and that we

1543
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,319
should not allow anyone to interpret

1544
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,400
these experiences for us even people

1545
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:24,559
closest to us especially not religious

1546
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,160
institutions or political institutions

1547
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,400
totally agree well said

1548
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,119
ah this has been super interesting a

1549
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,680
great unexpected topic to throw into the

1550
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,599
lineup thanks for doing it keep up the

1551
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:39,520
great work and take care out there

1552
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:45,829
wow well i'm sure that was pretty

1553
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:48,160
unexpected it's been a bit heavy on

1554
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,000
current events lately

1555
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,480
but is it bad to say that i liked this

1556
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:54,319
one more than i thought i might when i

1557
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,079
was considering it

1558
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,559
sure a sex magic episode does happen

1559
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,400
from time to time

1560
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,040
but even alan greenfield it's his work

1561
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,960
on the secret cipher of the euphenots

1562
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,880
that i liked so much

1563
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,960
but then i didn't want to say no and the

1564
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:10,960
grail within came out

1565
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,440
but it really wasn't my favorite episode

1566
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,160
so then when dr kuyava got in touch and

1567
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,240
said hey i heard that show of yours and

1568
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,160
i offer a different take not only a

1569
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,440
feminine take but one that's not so dark

1570
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,440
i was a little on the fence to be honest

1571
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,119
but i thought you know what we should

1572
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,359
offer the counterpoint and just see what

1573
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,200
happens maybe i can do a better sex

1574
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,799
magic show

1575
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:34,960
i knew she did great interviews on aeon

1576
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,920
bite and skeptico so i figured let's go

1577
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,040
for it

1578
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:41,040
we do have a great deal of female

1579
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,880
listeners that i think feel a little

1580
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,400
underrepresented

1581
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,319
and i thought i would do it for them i

1582
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:48,000
ended up thinking

1583
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,920
man it is pretty damn interesting for

1584
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,200
everyone

1585
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:53,599
i do hope people who see the title and

1586
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,319
think em maybe i'll skip this one do

1587
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:58,000
actually give it a chance because not

1588
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,119
only

1589
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,359
did we go to some wild places but the

1590
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,599
main takeaway is her kundalini

1591
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,119
experience

1592
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,040
and it makes me think maybe that really

1593
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:09,520
is the core of the suppression of female

1594
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,920
sexuality because it can facilitate this

1595
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:13,920
sort of experience

1596
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,319
i'm sure of course the suppression is

1597
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,160
multifaceted but this would definitely

1598
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:20,160
be in the mix

1599
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,839
it's also pretty rare to hear anybody

1600
01:01:25,150 --> 01:01:23,520
talk about right

1601
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,160
sure you might hear some

1602
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,280
kamasutra-esque type

1603
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:29,839
conversations about what's possible in

1604
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,319
increasing the levels of pleasure

1605
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,079
but i don't think i've ever heard anyone

1606
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,319
really talk about this

1607
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,240
and some say christianity did come out

1608
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:40,960
of a mushroom fertility cult

1609
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,400
we've talked before about how the

1610
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,559
sacrament probably was once something a

1611
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:46,880
little stronger than cheap wine and

1612
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,079
crackers

1613
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:50,160
as well as how cathedrals themselves

1614
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:53,280
seemed designed geometrically to elevate

1615
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,880
consciousness

1616
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:56,240
you throw a pipe organ in there and

1617
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,069
but as we know there was a puritanical

1618
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:04,240
takeover and all the fun stuff got

1619
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,440
stuffed back in the box no pun intended

1620
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:08,960
so really that would have been enough

1621
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:11,119
for me but then we got into a weird

1622
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,280
skeleton buried along the naghamati

1623
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:15,920
texts the work of diana posalka

1624
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,200
similarities between angels and aliens

1625
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:21,119
things i totally didn't expect but

1626
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:23,039
certainly appreciate she was a great

1627
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,240
guest

1628
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,400
i like the term wombs of forgotten

1629
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,280
stargates of course wombs are literal

1630
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,359
stargates if you need a refresher on how

1631
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,520
babies are made but that is just a great

1632
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,680
way to phrase it stargate's in more than

1633
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,920
one way i suppose

1634
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,920
oh and she was thoughtful enough to send

1635
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,240
me a follow-up email about that last

1636
01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:44,400
question i asked of how men could use

1637
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,839
their sexuality and masculinity more

1638
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,400
productively

1639
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:50,880
or just how to look at masculinity with

1640
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,520
this new context for femininity

1641
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:54,960
and she wrote

1642
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:56,799
you asked me about what this means for

1643
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,599
men which was an excellent question

1644
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,440
i would say that eros is not about

1645
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:03,599
performance and that both men and women

1646
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,079
are limited in this oppressive trap of

1647
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,400
one form of masculinity

1648
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,000
i would say that for the erotic

1649
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,079
connection men should not be afraid to

1650
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:13,839
show their vulnerability something that

1651
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,400
is too often considered as weakness when

1652
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,240
in fact it is a strength

1653
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,319
and men should not be afraid of opening

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01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:23,119
emotionally and spiritually in an erotic

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01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,400
encounter

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01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:26,559
masculinity just as much as femininity

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01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,720
has many faces

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01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:31,200
also of course this also goes for women

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01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:34,480
do not fall into the polarity trap of an

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01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,000
attractive other woman slash harlot and

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01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:40,319
the wife mother archetype as they are

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01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:43,039
both very damaging to our psyche

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01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,480
since i did not fully answer the

1664
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,480
question i thought at least i would

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01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,559
share this reflection with you via email

1666
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,400
i hope this is helpful to you in some

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01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:52,720
ways well yeah definitely

1668
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,599
we are oftentimes pushed into polarities

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01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:58,160
or ways of looking at things that don't

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01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,599
suit us and the angles that might are

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01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,599
not so often talked about

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01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,200
and i appreciate her response she

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01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,119
clearly cares about the material and was

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01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:09,280
thoughtful enough to add that bit after

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01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,559
the fact

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01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:12,640
very fun person to talk to as for the

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01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,119
plush show it of course was very wild it

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01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:16,799
is where some of the things i mentioned

1679
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,559
came up but just to give you the full

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01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,039
gist we got into

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01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,280
egyptian sex magic

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01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,200
and nefertiti

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01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,359
goddess symbols and the goddesses

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01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:29,119
magical tools

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01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,520
ideas gleaned from dr jeff kreipel and

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01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,520
dr diana pasulka

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01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:36,160
angel encounters an abductee experience

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01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:37,440
overlap

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01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,480
alien abduction and human sexuality

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01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,720
the three possibilities as to who the

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01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,119
goddesses were which of course she did

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01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,119
ask for some listeners to voice their

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01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,119
opinion of which of those three options

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01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:51,440
they think is most likely

1695
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,119
we talked about dr kuyava's own personal

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01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:57,359
paranormal visitations

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01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:00,960
goddesses and archetypes and medicating

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01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:03,039
spiritual sensitivity

1699
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,440
as we know modern society has a pill for

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01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:06,960
everything

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01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:08,799
so if you liked this one if you are

1702
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,039
intrigued to hear the full show you know

1703
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,520
you have that seven day free trial and i

1704
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,880
certainly pay attention to what

1705
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:16,880
interests most people and i try to

1706
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,880
follow up on those threads

1707
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,960
but it's pretty clear the church and the

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01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,280
state both want to keep us from true

1709
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,359
enlightenment experiences and direct

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01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:27,599
knowledge not only all the things that i

1711
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,680
mentioned seem to have been ripped out

1712
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,839
of the spiritual traditions but of

1713
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,760
course psychedelics even in modern

1714
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,440
context

1715
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,359
sure you guys can smoke a little weed

1716
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,640
you know but that's where we're gonna

1717
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,240
draw the line

1718
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,000
they know that if you see through the

1719
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:44,720
facade you lose your fear of death you

1720
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,440
are less manipulatable

1721
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,440
and all this game they're running on us

1722
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:51,839
just isn't as effective

1723
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,760
i even heard recently while preparing

1724
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:56,000
for a totally different episode somebody

1725
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,319
said that their kundalini experience was

1726
01:06:01,670 --> 01:06:00,240
akin to walking through the gardens of

1727
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:01,680
acacia

1728
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,000
as if you can access the akashic record

1729
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,079
this way and we know that is something

1730
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:08,000
that nobody in power would want for

1731
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,599
little old us

1732
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:11,680
so i certainly learned a lot and this

1733
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:14,000
will color the way i think about sexual

1734
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,839
suppression and the divine feminine for

1735
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:17,680
probably the rest of my life so it

1736
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,079
definitely has a lot of value

1737
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,319
just goes to show you can

1738
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,480
explore pretty much every strange topic

1739
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:26,480
under the sun for over a decade and

1740
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,520
still learn more all the time

1741
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,839
big thanks to her for her work and for

1742
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,839
spreading the word about her profound

1743
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,440
experience when many others might be

1744
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:37,280
inclined to keep it private especially

1745
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,240
with the academic career and play

1746
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,160
but in higher side news we definitely

1747
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,160
got some good stuff in the works a bit

1748
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,319
of a back and forth between useful

1749
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,480
important relevant coverage of the times

1750
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,319
and then just some weird crazy stuff

1751
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,960
that i think we all like so be awake be

1752
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,559
ready

1753
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,160
and let's look at the meetups calendar

1754
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:58,880
highersidemeetups.com

1755
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:01,039
our next three events remain the same

1756
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:04,480
tonight monday august 22nd sunset by the

1757
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:07,760
vast conspiracy and venice beach

1758
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,200
saturday august 27th the london uk thc

1759
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,440
meetup at little creatures brewing in

1760
01:07:18,109 --> 01:07:15,839
king's cross get at it

1761
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,119
and then saturday september 3rd the

1762
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,359
conspiracy theorizers at high springs

1763
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,480
brewing in high springs florida

1764
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:26,799
and yes alcohol might not be the most

1765
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,359
enlightening substance but it is a

1766
01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:31,920
social lubricant it has its place and

1767
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,520
there's just something about supporting

1768
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,960
microbreweries and small breweries all

1769
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,920
across

1770
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:39,839
this great nation

1771
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,599
that i appreciate it charges me up a bit

1772
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:45,520
although there are many ways to meet up

1773
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:47,599
and you could go on hikes you could go

1774
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:51,760
to oddity shops you could go to museums

1775
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:55,119
you could stargaze all kinds of stuff so

1776
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:58,079
let your creativity be the only limiting

1777
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,440
factor

1778
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,680
new friends in your area are just a few

1779
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,839
quick clicks of the mouse away

1780
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,680
but you know the drill

1781
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,440
but thanks for sticking with me thanks

1782
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:09,119
for supporting the show for the plus

1783
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,200
members who do i hope you feel like it's

1784
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,520
worth your eight bucks a month

1785
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:15,200
i love you guys couldn't do it without

1786
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:16,080
you

1787
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,679
curious what the feedback will be for

1788
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,920
this one but we shall see

1789
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,839
let dr kuyava know you liked the

1790
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,000
conversation if you did i'm sure she

1791
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,400
would appreciate it she is on twitter at

1792
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,080
joanna author

1793
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,560
for those of you who use twitter

1794
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:32,239
but that's it for me i'll catch you next

1795
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,719
time i've done my part your move goddess

1796
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:37,279
suppressors kundalini deniers and divine

1797
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:39,199
feminine demonizers

1798
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:43,199
your [\h__\h] move

1799
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:50,829
and then

1800
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:00,149
it was light

1801
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:04,239
coming down from the sky

1802
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:15,349
must be those strangers that

1803
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,400
come

1804
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:18,319
every night

1805
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,759
whose sausage shaped light

1806
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:23,520
put people

1807
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:26,319
up tight

1808
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:29,839
leave blue green footprints in that

1809
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,640
glow in the dark

1810
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,400
i hope

1811
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:36,159
they get home

1812
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:37,290
all right

1813
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,239
[Music]

1814
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,630
mr spaceman

1815
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:50,630
won't you please take me along

1816
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:54,640
i won't do anything wrong

1817
01:10:05,830 --> 01:09:59,440
mr spaceman

1818
01:10:17,010 --> 01:10:14,870
[Music]

1819
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:17,020
weird

1820
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:31,360
written my name is

1821
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:48,390
won't you please take me alone

1822
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,400
i won't do anything wrong

1823
01:10:55,199 --> 01:11:01,180
mr spaceman

1824
01:11:01,190 --> 01:11:09,590
[Music]

1825
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,189
mr spaceman

1826
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:17,270
won't you please take me along

1827
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,280
i won't do anything wrong

1828
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,750
miss spaceman

1829
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:32,870
won't you please take me along the high

1830
01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:34,960
side

1831
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:37,680
won't you please

1832
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,600
[Music]

1833
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,400
and that is another show complete

1834
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,320
remember as much as you enjoyed this

1835
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,640
which is just the free first hour i hope

1836
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,400
you'll become a plus member to hear the

1837
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:04,320
full to our interviews

1838
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,320
you also can engage with other plus

1839
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:09,040
members in the comments and the forums

1840
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,480
and you'll find your answer to one of

1841
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,560
the most common questions i get which is

1842
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:14,320
where can i find those cover songs that

1843
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,239
you use at the end of the show well they

1844
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:18,960
are free downloads for plus members too

1845
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,960
and without plus members i can't hire

1846
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:22,880
the occasional musician to bring these

1847
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,520
odd cover song ideas to fruition

1848
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:27,440
plus members are how i'm able to do what

1849
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,280
i do without ads and without the big

1850
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,120
machine being on my back

1851
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,360
we can fit so much more into a two-hour

1852
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:35,199
interview and i do my best to make it

1853
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,280
worth your time and money

1854
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:39,440
the conversation only gets deeper

1855
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,760
weirder and more controversial in that

1856
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,920
private hour how could it not the way

1857
01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:45,199
things are going

1858
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,400
but the best way to sign up is at the

1859
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,679
highersidechats.com where new first time

1860
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,320
subscribers always get a free seven-day

1861
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:54,880
trial because i'm just that confident

1862
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,960
there's no paypal on the website but if

1863
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:59,120
you need to use paypal then sign up

1864
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:00,880
through patreon and you get all the same

1865
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,000
episodes

1866
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:04,159
our website is a credit or debit system

1867
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:05,840
but you can also scope out the other

1868
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:08,719
options like a few various cryptos cash

1869
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,360
or check mail to the p.o box and i'll

1870
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:13,199
even barter with most people if you have

1871
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:14,960
your own business and produce something

1872
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,600
nice that my wife or kid or taste buds

1873
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,679
might like but the architects of

1874
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,679
consensus reality have made it clear

1875
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:23,360
that these themes and topics aren't

1876
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,760
really welcome on the main stage and so

1877
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,520
this is how we secure a little

1878
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,679
counterculture corner for ourselves and

1879
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,920
i hope you'll join plus because that is

1880
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:33,760
the only way it works

1881
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,320
besides you can cancel anytime right on

1882
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,719
your profile page the most common

1883
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,800
concern i hear is people just being

1884
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,199
unsure if thc plus will work with their

1885
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:45,600
podcast app and the answer is probably

1886
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,400
yes

1887
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:48,719
but if not we have several high-level

1888
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,800
app recommendations for whatever phone

1889
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,800
you use and the website is made for

1890
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:54,000
mobile too

1891
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,679
we're trained to tip a waitress for

1892
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,360
bringing us a sandwich but that tip

1893
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,199
doesn't give you access to a second

1894
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,760
sandwich really i'm not asking for any

1895
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,280
more than that and i think i offer a

1896
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,280
better service come get your second

1897
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,600
serving of tasty conspiracy goodness in

1898
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,600
exchange for that small token of your

1899
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,159
appreciation beyond that let it also be

1900
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,080
known that we have grown and survived as

1901
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,480
long as we have by word of mouth

1902
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,480
i don't care so much about social media

1903
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,640
likes or follows but tell the right

1904
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,560
people about thc

1905
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,320
and not just listeners but the high

1906
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:26,320
level figures who are better suited to

1907
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,960
sit down with me than most other hosts

1908
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,480
and if you can help me with any of these

1909
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,480
things i can work to bring you better

1910
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:34,560
shows which is just a win-win for both

1911
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:35,520
of us

1912
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,360
informative entertaining and

1913
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,840
action-packed it also never hurts to

1914
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,520
thank a guest you liked if you have the

1915
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,440
time either we want them to know people

1916
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:44,880
are listening so they're willing to come

1917
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:47,120
back down the road too thank you for